Engineers VS Sappers in a nutshell.

yeah PA is somewhat impractical in that sense ^^

Kitchen Knife OP, nerf now plz.

Phantom assassin has no bewbies

[url=#user_comment_322151]@Davtwan[/url]: A completely meaningless point. The simulated value approximated the theoretical value in such a degree as it did.

[url=#user_comment_322449]@Luye[/url]: If you multiplied those for 100 attacks for 100 dmg and then added the bonus damage gained, you'd end up with the exact same numbers I did. And for the pseudo random thing, it actually starts making your crit chance worse after 25%.

I think the math is a little off.

PA crit bonus = 15%*3.5 = 52.5% added dps
Jugg crit bonus = 35% added dps

(you may have noticed this only accounts for the added dps of the crits, regular attack damage have been eliminated for both)

So good to see all those years of math class in high school did not go to waste.

[url=#user_comment_322282]@Bindal[/url]: Don't worry, we know they deserve some time in the bedroom to ;3

Real math is: PA wasting all crits on creeps.

Oh Chaos Knight you are so forgoten :(

@Sexist DotA Player: I hope you die slow and painful.

Ah finally a DotA comic with female heroes where they should be. In the kitchen.

For the record, DOTA 2 has PSEUDO-random crit chances, which makes crits average out at whatever rate they are at, and makes you not subject as much to the random number god. A hit that ISN'T a crit means the next hit IS more likely to be a crit under psuedo-random. So it's even LESS about luck.

Last time I played her, I got 2 or 3 crits during the entire game ...

Could you do a comic with Doom Bringer in it? Hes my favorite hero and i would love to see him drawn in your style. :)

[url=#user_comment_322151]@Davtwan[/url]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo

[url=#user_comment_322124]@fag[/url]: Obviously. It doesn't really matter though, PA starts with higher agi and has a better gain anyways. I was just giving a base damage to compare their abilities. Do you want me to add in items as well?

[url=#user_comment_321663]@dealwithit[/url]: Because it's the only game with critical hits.

[url=#user_comment_321652]@Davtwan[/url]: Way to use my name there, chief. What I mean is you ran one SIMULATION, pointdexter.

[url=#user_comment_322123]@Truelty[/url]: This is done without taking agility and agility gain into account for the attack speed.

I rounded a little wrong on jug, he's 83.5 DPS and 13,360 damage over 100 attacks.

Sources:
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Phantom_Assassin
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Juggernaut
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Pseudo-random_distribution

MORE MATH!

If you wanted to include their BAT and the psuedo randomness.

PA - 1.7 BAT
15250 damage for 100 attacks / 170 seconds = 89.7 DPS

Jug - 1.6 BAT
pseudo random adjustment - 33.6% chance
13220 damage for 100 attacks / 160 seconds - 82.6 DPS

MATH ALERT!

Assume both heroes do 100 attacks at a base damage of 100.

PA - 15% chance for 450% damage.
(100 x 85)+(450 x 15)
8,500 + 6,750 = 15,250 damage over 100 attacks

Jug - 35% chance for 200%
(100 x 65)+(200 x 35)
6,500 + 7,000 = 13,500 damage over 100 attacks

@Yeah BRo:

Is this legit?

You're the second guy who claims to disprove someone by refering to statistics, yet have no apparent idea what statistics are.

[url=#user_comment_322067]@Tele[/url]: handjob

*games

This applies to all game. If you rage at this you are dumb.

Hilarious, I now imagine PA in various situations, critting whenever it's least appropriate.

Cutting out photos for her scrapbook.
Performing surgery.
Using the sewing machine.
Trimming her nails.
Working as a barber.
etc.

[url=#user_comment_321920]@Wickman[/url] .... hahhaha. Hahahahhahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! Oh, wait, are you serious? BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA! Seriously, me and my friends could beat new players while watching a parade with trombones. Skill is EVERYTHING. Luck is occasionally useful, but never the greatest factor.

jugg does not have more DPS. 350% extra damage 15% chance for PA, 100% extra damage 35% chance for jugg. I'll save you the trouble of the math... that's 52.5% extra damage on average for PA, 35% extra damage on average for jugg.

As Dota comics go, at least this one makes sense. Then again, you could literally have put any RPG character ever into this comic and the joke would hold up just fine, because anyone who has played an RPG in the last 30 years knows what a critical hit is.

This is why you "take 10" on mundane tasks...

Have you tried Smite, Jo?

Checkee the archive and it says that the last TF2 comic was in April. But status: Hurt. Send me ice.

Arc: Engi gets dominated by all on RED and she gets mad. Engi rage quits to L4D. Engi tries to go out by herself but is incapacitated quickly. Her team-mates revive her and help her. After the match Engi goes back to TF2. Engi realized he/she (whatever engi you feel like) forgot about teamwork.

Maybe he ran out of ideas for TF2? We must come up with ideas!

@mgybubu: Ok, you are right but i still don't understand it

[url=#user_comment_321950]@Sstana[/url]: Did you notice their crit modifiers..? God damn noob.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this one of the Chef Tony's "Miracle Blade"! ;)

In D&D 3.5 we have the same dilemma: weapons with high crit but rarely, or weapons with low crit but often?

Did anyone of you noticed Coup de Grace IS PA's ULTIMAAATE but Jugerrnaut's Blade Dance is normal critical skill

[url=#user_comment_321801]@OkBroYouPro[/url]: Plz go back to Statistics 101.

THE STEAM SALE IS ON. IT IS ON!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUo1PgKksgw

Hmm, its more like when people do well in a game then that game is "DA PRO GAEM", but when the same people do badly in another game, or get owned, then that game "IS SUXOR, P2W, UNBALANCED, UNFAIR, WAH WAH WAH".

[url=#user_comment_321926]@wat[/url]: Even while having a wank the experienced guy could beat a noob with one hand.

The Steam Summer Sale has begun. I think we ALL know what comics will be showing up soon.

[url=#user_comment_321926]@wat[/url]: Exactly.

[url=#user_comment_321920]@Wickman[/url]: Is the experienced guy using one of his hands to jerk off or something?

@lawl dota2: Even worse, there's no skill whatsoever involved in Dota 2. It's all about luck, nothing else. Someone who played Dota 2 for millions of hours can be defeated by someone playing their very first game just because the newbie got lucky.

It's disgusting.

Its funny how people say dota2 is DA PRO GAEM when theres so much luck involved.

Baby's first RTS.

[url=#user_comment_321901]@Balalaika[/url]: Juggernaut don't have better damage. He have 44-48 base damage, when Mortred have 46-48. And that's obvious she needs items, did I say she don't need?

Meanwhile in GW2:
107% CRIT CHANCE 120% CRIT DAMAGE AAAAAAAA 100B EVISCERATE TIMEWARP

[url=#user_comment_321881]@Faelivri[/url] Not really, she still have one of the worst base damage. DEX start working only on middle game and later. To this time she must have ITEMS.

[url=#user_comment_321851]@Bosturus[/url]: Too bad that the joke is about "Random Critical Hits", which is a very common mechanic. It doesn't have anything to do with DOTA2.

Looks like someone has forget about two things:
1. Mortred (or Phantom Assassin) have better starting agi and bigger agi gain = faster attacks and better damage.
2. She can increase her AS = much more likely to land Coup de Grace.
Not counting other obvious things. Those two are enough.

I know there is massive hate against DotA webomics on here by those of us who haven't played it, but I have to admit one thing. If more of the DotA comics were like this, then I feel the hate wouldn't be as bad. It's a joke that doesn't rely on metaknowledge and even I get it despite not playing.

[url=#user_comment_321851]@Bosturus[/url] I don't play dota 2, and I can still get the joke... seriously.. what game now in days doesn't use critical hits? So we can concur that it seldom happens when we need it the most. So... yeah.

yet another comic that makes no sense to people who don't play dota 2...

sigh...

Why must Jo always only appeal to the lowest common denominator? They don't read webcomics, they just play games like Call of Duty.

Please go back to TF2, Jo.

[url=#user_comment_321824]@SC[/url]: And you're forgetting that he has a lower BAT, because he takes 10% longer to land the hit, as well as having lower base agi + agi gain. I don't even wanna try to figure out how you came to the conclusion that he does 153%, but it's just all kinds of wrong.

[url=#user_comment_321801]@OkBroYouPro[/url] Actually Juggernaut DOES have more dps, due to his 1.5 BAT compared to PA's 1.7. Combined with his crit, he does 153% more dps, compared to PA's 152.5%.

[url=#user_comment_321817]@Drrrr[/url]: A crit on that? You were supposed to OPEN the door. NOT RIP IT OUT OF THE WALL! :P

Reminds me of playing DnD and rolling shitty rolls all the time when it's most needed. Then you wanna roll for something as simple as pulling a door open? Roll 20. Motherf--

Actually Jugg dooesn't have more DPS. Do the maths.
You hit 1 every hit. For Jugg 35 of them are crits. That means 65+2x35= 135 damage.
For PA 15 of them are crits for 4.5 times.
That means 85+4.5x15= 152.5 . 152.5 > 135

nice tits, but it is a dota comic so it is a bad comic overall

naked apron

Hmmm... I am not sure if I would want to eat what she's cooking. After all, she has to wear half her armor to cook that stuff in the first place. Not sure what to expect from the finished meal...

But the sheer satisfaction of critting the entire enemy team to death is always worth it.

Everyone knows is crits happens only when even common hit is enough.

Is it bizarro day or something?

Today the comic is understandable by everyone and the comments section makes no fucking sense unless you're steeped into the game.

I always found it funny how some people argue that some games (e.g., CoH) can't be competitive because of RNG when Dota 2 is chocked full of RNG.

Only one-hitting supports? Psssh, it's all about this...

http://youtu.be/7cjFRJKC22M

PA 15% chance of a 450% crit (or +350% damage)
Jugg 35% chance of a 200% crit (or +100% damage)

If you think Jugg does more damage, you made the mistake in your calculations of forgetting non-crit attacks do damage as well. =)

What is more satisfying the sound effect and the blood splatter.

Just pray to RNGesus and he will grant you his powers, the powers to always crit when jumping on a support.

@Jo is a scrub:

You're off by 1% on her dps. She has 152.5%.

PA: Why don't you do this when I need it??
Knife: Because my song goes trolololololo!

I aaaaalways have that problem when going crit based builds in RPGs.
I chip away at enemys until theyre down to 10% hp and then CRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT for 20 000 hitpoints of the redicolous element.

So much wrong in this. First, the text is wrong, because Jugg gets +35% DPS while PA gets +51.25%. Second, by hitting creeps without crits before a fight, you increase your crit chance because the game has a PRNG system implemented, so getting 4-5 non-crits before a fight almost guarantee a crit.

One or two hyperstones with basher and battle fury - and you have critz of 1k every second for sure. plus bashes.

[url=#user_comment_321649]@Davtwan[/url]: Are you fucking serious? I had a sample size of 10k. The confidence interval for the damage is going to be really fucking small.

@Dota Fanboy:
One sample size.
"Math'd."
Do you even statistics?

Yay! Understandable comic!

I just ran a simulation with their damage.

On a total of 10k attacks, with an even 100 attack damage on both, Juggernaut dealt 1350300 damage while Phantom Assassin did 1543200 damage.

You just got math'd Jo.

Your wrong about the Crit DPS, PA has higher DPS off crit than Jugg does.

"Juggernaut has more DPS" where do you get this information?

Juggernaut with lvl 4 crit deals 135% damage while phantom assassin with lvl 3 coup de grace will deal approximately 150% damage.

This is without taking phantom strike in account as well.

Oh waifu, you and your crits.

True enough. Sure is fun when you're lucky ans simply 1 shot kill heroes like Line, CM, and Morphling.
And there's also Outworld Devourer ult, i did an 1 shot kill in a Tiny... It was against bots, but it was fun nevertheless.

Simple and effective. Very good comic, Jo.
Keep up the good work!

There, do you get this shit TF2 community? Cause if you don't you obviously never played TF2, let alone anything with C-R-I-T-I-C-A-L system.

FUCKING EXACTLY!

while in tf2 demoman gets afterburn immunity while pyro gets nerfed.

Juggernaut needs 3 points in his critical skill to out-dps even level one Coup de Grâce, and he has less dps than both level 2 and 3 of Grâce.

Ya should source things like that: http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Critical_strike

this is funny

and i don't even play dota

perfect jo

Keep up the simple ones like this

So basically you increase you crit-chance, but it will only crit one item or the skill, depending which one has the higher crit chance. Since PAs ultimate has a 15% chance, Crystalis 20% and Deadalus 25%, PAs ultimate will not trigger, instead Deadalus crit applies. => Deadalus is a bad idea on PA.

Sexy chick gets a critical hit while slicing a "cucumber".... Holy Dota! The innuendo is strong on this one!!!

[url=#user_comment_321558]@clif08[/url]: I know what you mean since she is an African lady painted bluish green.

ahem, http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/Item_Passive_Stacking

Wish she was that cute in game

@Math 4you: Doesn't work that way...

So 5 items that give 20% crit chance = 67,23% Crit Chance.

[url=#user_comment_321549]@Unyuho[/url]: Crit on Dota2 don't work that way. If you pick 5 items which give 20% chance of crit, you will roll 5x for the 20%, instead of a single 100% chance.

Get 5 Daedalus and every hit is a crit.