@Lobster: Not anymore :D I LURV ME THE NEW UPDATE!

Y'know, the scout can suck a fat one. Engie doesn't have ANYTHING new.

@NGE Competative play is this: The only fun is felt when you see the victory screen. WHo cares if you had a couple great duels between good players? If you lost, where was the fun? Who cares if the match was a close one, the only fun is victory.

Oh, and I've won the game via bonk in other ways...
quick run past sentry line, cap base on other side before enemies can reverse tracks to get you. Also effectively draw enemies from all over map into chasing you instead of where they need to be.

[cont'd] player. The point of it is to draw fire from enemy sentry guns and enemy players, giving the rest of your team a crucial few seconds to lay waste to the enemies and their defenses. Communication is a must for this to work. But used properly, the bonk is the spearpoint of a powerful charge.

Hey, I LOVE the bonk. It has won me games. The problem for a lot of others, is most play the scout as a loner, running in quick and hitting something and leaving. That's not the way you use bonk. Bonk is is 'wipe out the enemy team's stronghold' move. But, for it to work, you HAVE to be a team...

but when everyone's playing the game as best they can and it comes down to that naturally, that's when you really have the most fun. Competitive bashing still doesn't make any sense.

@NGE Having fun is more then about winning or loosing, as a game won that was a steam roller, a game won within 2 minutes is not a fun game, but a game that is tied neck and neck, everyone giving it their all only for the final victor to be decided in the last few seconds of the game. That is fun.

yeah i play for fun and competitve players only play to win and if there's anything i know it's that winning isn't fun !! (???)

seriously what is wrong with you, idiot

That can should have an atomic shroom above it.
Fucking competive players and their stupid whining.
Fucking hate em.

Well, personally, I dominate those classes as a Scout.

Yesterday, I played with Jo.

Dude, I felt so awesome when I backstabbed him.

But I'm disapointed, too. He uses the Natascha. :[

yes u can't be ubercharged with melee and destroy sentry, but who the hell except doing dat? with direct hit u dont even need to do it with empty clip 4 rocets enought for anything and red badge of gayness is a personal ubercharge which reloading itself rapidly after once being activated

i remember medic update was hell but it not brings fresh bugs

mention release of disciples 3 i may say new year makes everything bugged even valve games
stoopid meeting a deadline at NY holydays to get more PROFIT

not balanced with showel Eq.
failish resistanse
bugged achievments contuniue being bugged
sandman start to be fixed repeatedly
sandwich very good but i better use infinitive 120hp sandwicches than 300hp one
achievments now give u for free all weapons, but they sometimes don't do it coz bugged

But they killed the Sandman D':...still, I rediscovered my love for the scattergun :D

Engineer update plox.

It's simple. Add a new class. Give Miss Pauling a gun and she becomes the Civilian.

@Westy543: You update the same class... twice! That's it, 6 unlocks for the engineer!

Personally, I like Nat and the sanvich. The thing about Bonk! is that it's pretty much what people on the forums wanted. There were huge threads about items that would let you distract a sentry or otherwise get past it.

@zeruf: How do you do a double update with only one class left? lol

place your bets ! , what's the next update class-combo. well judging by that spy+snipe have 1 shot kills, and demo+sold have explosives, i can only asume that engi's healing dispener will be paired up with the medic! dual class updates are so much more fun.

From my position, the heavy and scout updates were far better, because they didn't introduce a wide variety of different game crashing bugs that in some cases (like my own) result in the entire computer locking up.

@Engineer: The PDQ will be an amazing tool for offensive engies, don't knock it.

I love the sandvich and bonk. Must be the only guy who does.

Natasha, FaN, Sandman, and Backburner can all just go straight to hell though.

I may get resented by this comment, but I think this update sucked.The game is all buggy, the pick axe and shield are WAAAAAY overpowered and the S.R. is underpowered. I'm also not a fan of the Direct Hit or the Solider altogether(Even more O.P.). The sword and bugle are nice though.

@bullz: I got my Equalizer just fine. The Direct Hit is what I'm missing. Apparently there's an absurdly common glitch where if the Steam item servers are down when you hit a milestone you don't get the item for it. It won't likely be fixed until after Free Weekend is over.

if u did the milestone and didnte receive the EQ u should,

try to die a lot, that gives me all the updates, but no boot

i wonder how to gain boots, is it with crafting?

and how to register at this site?

I love this update so far, but I wish the milestones weren't broken. I still haven't gotten my Direct Hit from Soldier Milestone 2.

At least now that I have that shovel achievement unlocked I don't have another reason to NOT use the Equalizer. Thing's fuckin' amazing!

"...you can even hold down M2 and sweep to detonate a ton of stickies for a carpet bombing way of killing people."

Holy shit I have to try that now

Just one thing was missing this update: Meet the Medic/Pyro. Maybe next time :\

Suri: With this update the Huntsman has next to nothing on the Direct Hit, though.

Don't worry Scout. You still have the best domination lines.

Hey, don't be dissing the Huntsman.

It encourages Snipers to get off their asses and do shit.

you guys forgot who doesn't get these goodies on HIS CONSOLE

@Jericu: The Razorback would've been a lot better if it were hidden.

Technically didn't the Sniper have to supply his own jar of piss?

Don't forget the crap valve gave snipers.

A heavy shield, a bow and arrow, and a jar of piss.

Thanks guys.

As for the Direct Hit, that thing chews through sentries faster then engies can repair them. I kill those in 3 or 4 hits with them being actively repaired as fast as possible, its amazing what that 25% bonus damage can do.

I would not say that the new weapons suck vs sentries, the Scottish Resistance can bounce like pipes, and be detonated through a wall, you can even hold down M2 and sweep to detonate a ton of stickies for a carpet bombing way of killing people.

Just last night, I went offensive engie in CTF_Turbine. You'd be very, very surprised how much fun was had.

The thing is this mates, every class update the usefulness and uniqueness for that class goes through the roof! If they did faster updates, however, I think we would never leave the idea of non-combat weapons. So we must wait till everyone gets there seconded class update, just you wait and see!

Haven't played with the new stuff much, but yeah, it seems that Jo has a bit of a point with the comparative quality of updates. Every unlock in this update was cool and at least moderately useful, while Scouts and Heavies got... well, we all remember how it went.

I loved that update as well :)

Though i hated it that i only got the banner and the pickaxe and not the direct hit i so dearly craved :(

I did a lot of achievements for the soldier to get them, but some are just too difficult: do i need all of them for the rocketlauncher? >.>

You know, this whole WAR I've been hating since, well... my class hasn't updated yet. But as Gelu noted, these weapons suck vs. Sentries. So now, I'm just hoping we get something as fantastic for our update. Not the P.D.Q beta weapon though... that's just sad Valve.

zerocool made the photonote i wanted to make... sigh...

I've found the good ol' metal bat to be of great use against Eyelander Demomen and Direct Hit Soldiers who can't aim well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MBk5TKdHao

Play a surf map with the targe. Thank me later.

However, the Resistance does take some getting used to, and it is far more a defenders weapon than the normal Launcher. If you wish to play offensive demo, I would not recommend the Resistance. The Sword and Targe, with the Grenade Launcher, is a very nice set up for a frontlines, offensive demo.

I really like the bots too.

The Sword and Targe are a nice combination, but I prefer to stick with the Scotish Resistance and the Sword by itself. It's easier I think. The Gunboats, however, I find quite useful, and I dont mind replacing the shotgun with them, and with The Direct Hit and The Equalizer, it's awesome.

It's worth noting that prior to the update, the Engineer is really getting trashed. Now, with the class rushes and plenty of weapons that are actually quite useless against sentries, it's actually worthwhile playing Engies. One can get quite a lot of kills this way.

What the new weapons need are not tweaking - they need bug-fixing. Their animation-calling lines are crashing servers left and right. They have been somewhat fixed by the time of this writing, but who knows how many more bugs we are going to see.

And the Demoman's eyes glow yellow, mind you.

the demo and solly weapons needs a bit of tweaking but they pretty well nailed it this time