Nice joke! Except Demon soul's is the cheap game and is hard for well.. the sake of being hard.
Dark Soul's prepares you, it's easy to not get cursed, and at no points do you have to "farm souls".
AndrewRogue
over 11 years ago
I'm also going to have to generally disagree here.
Of the two, Demon's Souls was definitely more prone to honest-to-God-cheap kills. I'm looking at you random dude in a room of explosives.
Random Dude
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332171]@Geary[/url] something tells me you scan the everything associated with "bad news".
Maphysto
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332798]@Bambo[/url]: None of your arguments make those deaths less cheap. Being unprepared is kind of the point.
If I sneak up behind you and shiv you in the kidney, it's a cheap shot whether or not you were prepared for it.
durr hurr. a comic strip about a game I dont know and cant understand. you suckorz, jo, I am leaving forevah!
Anger
over 11 years ago
*BUUURRRRP*
wwwfaildotcom
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332798]@Bambo[/url]: I keep hitting the walls instead of them, and they stay in the walls and then their arm gets longer and they sickle me to death
Bambo
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331432]@Maphysto[/url].:
-Invaders
...Holy shit. You. Suck. Just straight up.
-The first encounter with Seath you are TOLD that he is immortal/invurnable and you get a bunch of Rings of Sacrefice beforehand so you don't even lose your humanity/souls and isn't even a real bossfight.
Get. Told.
Bambo
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331432]@Maphysto[/url].:
-Countered by herbs and having the spider shield
-Painted world denizens can all be avoided
-Capra Demon is the classic noob trap because you don't freaking run up the stairs and kill the dogs, the boss itself is really easy.
-Ornstein and Smough is hard, but not cheap at all
Bambo
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332273]@wwwfaildotcom[/url]:
Oh please, you need cursed weapons to hit them and they die in a hit or 2. Unfair my ass.
Petersaber
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331383]@JustAidan[/url]: I actually went through the Tomb without any kind of lightsource (died twice), the only thing I got was the Skull Lantern that's inside the tomb. I was playing a Knight
Petersaber
over 11 years ago
Not getting cursed is easy. Roll out of the cloud, even heavy Knight can do that
There is only one "cheap" death in the entire game, that is first Seth encounter, but even then you are earlier TOLD he IS INVULNERABLE, and you are GIVEN a ring that will prevent you from losing your stuff
Petersaber
over 11 years ago
Sorry, but the people who say there are cheap deaths in Dark Souls just suck.
Joe, that very dark cave has shitton of glowing stones that will light your way. Just walk slowly and watch your step. You could also use a Light spell.
teasel
over 11 years ago
i actualy finished the game and i still agree with this comic,the next area actualy has invisible bridge... you can manage by shooting arrow at thin air until you can find where you can walk and where you cannot but it's still frustating and stupid,bravo for the comic!
TheRagamuffin
over 11 years ago
Sissyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Valiantsix
over 11 years ago
Oh, and if you're interested this guys Lore and DS discussions are incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oYLhAZvjvU
Valiantsix
over 11 years ago
cause it's a fantastic game that puts your skills to the test, has incredible lore, and when you get to the final boss and look back at how you've started out and what kind of player you've become, it's an incredible feeling I haven't gotten with any modern game today. If you continue, good luck!
Valiantsix
over 11 years ago
Heya Joe! Been reading your comics for a long time but first time writing.
Heh, I remember my first run-through of Dark Souls. We all die a ton but it taught us to be patient, proceed slowly, watch your surroundings and accept death (Hey, death happens!). I hope you still consider Dark souls
Barcode
over 11 years ago
When did you enter the area? After Anor Londo I hope, otherwise you simply entered an area that's too hard for your current level. There are glowing stones in the area, follow them and you find a NPC who will bring you to a corpse with a lantern, even if you somehow die the lantern stays.
ArkSkyDragon
over 11 years ago
I got to agree with Joe on this one. Loved the game until I hit Capra Demon, who on his own is a push over, but those dogs literally stun lock the hell out of me. So if you can't them down ASAP, you're dead.
Tyrant Belial
over 11 years ago
Demon Souls had no cheap deaths? Oh sorry let me go to fight Garland, Oh wait Swamp.
In all seriousness, yeah, Dark Souls is actually easier, if only cus it's methods of killing you are more "only gonna get you once" The only cheap death I can think of is Bed of Chaos, bitch sends you flyin.
Roeg
over 11 years ago
@Nerf NOW!! Jo, there are other ways to get light there. Like a very simple light spell. Even the least magic-ful warrior can cast this simple light spell.
Maphysto.
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332250]@Bambo[/url]: "No cheap deaths"
Toxic Snipers in Blighttown.
Painted World.
Capra Demon.
Ornstein/Smough.
Invaders.
First encounter w/ Seath.
Yeah, I think we're done here.
Punga
over 11 years ago
Is your walls made of pie?
CeeSea
over 11 years ago
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
GiantDad
over 11 years ago
Madcuzbadgitgudcasulrekt
wwwfaildotcom
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332250]@Bambo[/url]: new londo ruins are pretty unfair, ghosts spawning everywhere and it's hard to hit them
Bambo
over 11 years ago
Seriously, there are no cheap deaths in Dark Souls, dying in the game is COMPLETELY your own fault for not thinking or being prepared.
At this point it feels like an excuse to call deaths in Dark Souls cheap.
Dude
over 11 years ago
There is being bad, then just plain lazy and impatient.
Getting cursed? It's SO easy to avoid and the Basilisks die in a few hits too, that whole area is even avoidable if you cared to find the shortcut.
As for Tomb of the Giants;
http://i.imgur.com/AQINZDb.jpg
Describes it pretty well.
Kyrrion
over 11 years ago
Ledges.
Foiling gamers since the dawn of gaming itself.
Bakura
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331851]@CubicThing[/url]: You're kidding right? Izalith is easy, the boss sucks but the zone is simple unless you're stupidly trying to kill the dragon legs. Blightown? Havoc engine was not meant for that.
Rukifellth
over 11 years ago
@Nerf NOW!!: Okay, "wut" is an idiot, and he's wrong. All the necromancers have a chance to drop it, but none automatically do. Follow the sparkly drops on the ground till you reach Patches, then...do as he says. Loot the corpse in front of you after the cutscene. A skull lantern is ALWAYS there.
Rukifellth
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332107]@AdmiralMaggot[/url]: It weighs less than the fucking Sack helm and you have 2 slots for your offhand. No enemy = Lantern. See an enemy = switch to shield and don't dodge towards the cliff.
Shadow12000
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332145]@Wanderer[/url]: You can bring your own light. It's the spell "Cast Light", or the Sunlight Maggot helm. Both put a ball of light over your head.
Shadow12000
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332171]@Geary[/url]: There's not ONE opportunity at getting it, you won't die if you go back down to where it is, and the necromancers in the previous area have a chance to drop it too. Also, why would you NOT loot the corpses right in front of you after a cutscene? THEY ARE PUT THERE FOR A REASON.
Shadow12000
over 11 years ago
"I think this is bad design"
There is literally a path of lights for you when you first enter, and then you get cutscened to a corpse with a lantern that proceeds to literally point you the way to the end along the wall. I'll admit the enemies hurt, but it's hardly bad design. Blightown is worse.
[url=#user_comment_332152]@Ultraseamus[/url]: To be fair, in real life, you have more than one opportunity to get an adequate light source. It seems like laziness or lack of foresight on the part of the Devs that players might somehow MISS the skull lantern, despite there being only one opportunity at getting it.
Ultraseamus
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332145]@Wanderer[/url]: Exactly. You'd go, but you wold be prepared. If you walked in there blind, and then fell down, the world would not care how unfair you thought it was.
That's Dark Souls, they don't put up railings or invisible walls. There's no fairy sidekick to warn you when you are close to danger. :)
jj
over 11 years ago
@The TF2 Community: all tf2 players went to dota 2
they only play sniper now
Wanderer
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_332109]@Ultraseamus[/url]: I would
But I'd bring some light and also a machete to kill the monsters
and also my estus flask
Ultraseamus
over 11 years ago
That's the game. They did not pull the floor out from under you. They presented you with a dark room. If you run ahead blind, you pay for it; that is not unfair. That's pretty much the point of the game. You would not wander aimlessly in a pitch black cave in real life, because you value your life.
I know that feel, Jo.. this is exactly where I am in Dark Souls. I hate the lack of a shield to use the Skull Lantern to be able to see anything.
The TF2 Community
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331815]@jj[/url]: Then who is? All the other TF2 players have left, therefore I am the lone representative of The TF2 Community.
Lucky
over 11 years ago
It takes practice to be good at Dark Souls like, say, everything else worthwhile. Sorry that Dark Souls doesn't hold your hand and tell you exactly what to do Jo.
Giant dad
over 11 years ago
http://dongers.net/swag/
Zero
over 11 years ago
THIS is a punchline. It's common knowledge that Dark Souls is hard as hell. Even if I didn't know that, the comic conveys that you're frustrated by dying, and that's funny. And you did it without making a single reference to a gameplay mechanic. So why can't you're Dota comics be this simple?
[url=#user_comment_331939]@wut[/url]: I killed the Necromancer and was killed by a random Black Knight (one with axe) before I could loot the Skull Lantern.
Necromancers don't respawn, Skull Lantern gone.
Bick
over 11 years ago
SCRUB DETECTED
get gud
wut
over 11 years ago
How did you miss the skull lanturn?
To get to the tomb of the giants you have to go through the catacombs, and to get through the catacombs you have to kill the necromancers to stop the skeletons from killing you. the last one drops the skull even.
Heck the blue lights even show you were to go.
Soshidow
over 11 years ago
Totally agree with this, Demon Souls was difficult, but I rarely got frustrated because most deaths I could understand what I did wrong. On the other hand... Dark Souls often has just.. trial and error moments that just make me turn off the system, especially that god awful Tomb of the Giants.
Seriously?
over 11 years ago
It's funny because rookie mistakes like ever being cursed or not somehow getting a necromancer's lamp to drop are only things you would see in your first playthrough. There's only one type of enemy that could ever reliably curse you, and you would have to stand perfectly still in his gas attack.
Hadron V
over 11 years ago
I didn't find this game too hard. You just have to be careful when entering a new area >_> Not just run in expecting ground to be there. Especially in the Chasm of the Abyss.
DustyDrake
over 11 years ago
Your journey it began because
YOU DIED.
Out of your cell you ran and then
YOU DIED.
You pause to catch your breath
And die another gruesome death
So now you creep around each corner terrified
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9D2mvoMKLE
Terry
over 11 years ago
I actually felt the opposite about those two games. Demon Souls was one off the vew games I stopped playing because it was too hard. Dark Souls was also hard but it felt more 'fair', more checkpoints and such.
CubicThing
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331849]@Eski[/url]: This place is not that bad ,you just have to walk carefully .
Lost Izalith ?WORSE ZONE EVA
Hey Jo
over 11 years ago
Have you played I Wanna Be The Guy or I Wanna Be The Guy fangames? I like to play a nice and easy IWBTG fangame like I Wanna Make It Breaking Out when I get frustrated with super hard games like Dark Souls.
Eski
over 11 years ago
The Tomb of Giants was bloody awful. The rest of the game I could handle. That place? Nopenopenopenope.
Oroc
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331823]@Scejthe[/url]: Considering he just play another kind of games maybe he just forgot they give you a LANTERN way before that area.
Hardcore Gay Lord
over 11 years ago
get gud dirty casual
BadassFreeman
over 11 years ago
The game is okay. The PC version is just broken.
Cog
over 11 years ago
When a true Dark Souls player dies, they smile.
It's not the souls you accumulate, the armour you find, or the weapons you craft that make you stronger, it is death, every time you die you become stronger, the flames of rage temper the soul, darken it.
You will learn to love death, in time.
Scejthe
over 11 years ago
Cheap deaths? Seriously, people forget our roots where ONE single bullet would do you in? Or jumps had predetermined trajectory and missing a platform was the norm? Not to mention google pretty much can pass a game for you now. Now, this doesnt mean you shouldnt feel frustrated, but quit? Nahhh.
Anger
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331754]@TheGMP[/url] That is some angry feces! More please.
jj
over 11 years ago
@The TF2 Community: you are not the tf2 community
ur just a loser poser
The TF2 Community
over 11 years ago
I do believe the TF2 comics are long gone by now. Call me if they come back.
Well
over 11 years ago
I made the mistake of buying that game.
I had to watch a whole fucking walkthrough of the game to be able to finish it.
It just reeks of bad design, sure Deus Ex 1 was hard but any given situation could have been handled by any given player character.
IAMCRAIG
over 11 years ago
I'm pretty sure there's one necromancer by a bonfire before this section that drops a skull lantern 100% of the time which makes things far easier in that section. Fuck the dog skeleton demon things though. At least it wasn't about the anor londo archers, would have called you a shitlord then.
Marc
over 11 years ago
Cars can solve anything.
Glasses of Rose
over 11 years ago
The first play through of a souls game is never fun. It's tense, you die a lot, and shout at the screen. When people say Demon's and Dark Souls is fun they are usually talking about it nostalgically and remembering their second run through the game.
Snadzies
over 11 years ago
You did the right thing, Jo.
I love Dark Souls and have beaten it several times, but this IS some cheap bull shit in the game sometimes.
TheGMP
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331753]@Anger[/url]: I am, the great mighty Poo, and I'm gonna throw my shit at you
Anger
over 11 years ago
YES YES, more angst, more anger, feeeeed me!!!!
praise the sun
over 11 years ago
i bet jo just went straight down the catacombs all the way to the tomb of gianst without even ringing the first bell at undeadburg
Twats
over 11 years ago
This is why we have games like call of duty because slow-thinking twats need to feel some sort of success even if it's mostly artificial. Oh, the game didn't conveniently lead me to an item I need or isn't displaying any alternative solutions. I can't be bothered to use my brain for once.
Praise The Sun
over 11 years ago
Saving your sun-bro by pre-emptively slaying the sun maggots will net you a very handy hat; your bro won't descend into madness leaving him free for jolly co-operation all game.
I just hope you have the humanity to pay the shortcut fee, but he's worth it!
The sodomy that awaits you is vast...
ManMachine
over 11 years ago
it's kinda hard to miss the Skull Lantern, as you may net one from the necromancers in the Catacombs, which you need to kill to stop skeletons from reassembling. it's the worst lighting system, because you'll have to stay without a shield or a weapon, but at least you see where you're going
Jack
over 11 years ago
Know them feels. On top of all that the camera and game controls are god awful for PC MASTER RACE
Shodan
over 11 years ago
Given the type of game dark soul/demon souls is...I think this is actually excellent level design. Would you complain a level in dead space is too tense?
Regal
over 11 years ago
A game is supposed to be fun. If it stops being fun, toss the damn thing.
Name
over 11 years ago
"I could finish Dark Souls"
Keep telling yourself that. The fact is you haven't, and probably won't.
Timpie
over 11 years ago
What do you think is worse, progress through the game correctly like this, or go all the way through the tomb of giants to find out you've progressed too far already and have to turn back. Yes, you have to backtrack all the way cause you went down into the tombs instead of into the fortress of doom.
Dark Souls General
over 11 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3d94pxVRQU
All about game in 4 min.
Anonymous
over 11 years ago
Well it looks like you're a filthy casual then.
Don't Quit!
over 11 years ago
Quitting means you go Hollow!
All those zombies? They were quitters!
AEIOU
over 11 years ago
Finally! Someone that actually sees the bad designs in this game. You're supposed to have run into a lantern before entering there. If you didn't, you probably shortcutted.
Take it slow
over 11 years ago
I got frustrated with Dark Souls too and set it down.
I came back and had a blast.
If you're still steamed over it Jo, give it a rest and come back later. Try tackling a different section.
Hopes Crushed
over 11 years ago
Does this mean no future comic with Gwynevere? :(
+1 Dark Souls Comment
over 11 years ago
It's ok, just backtrack and come back when you have the illuminate spell or something else that makes light.
Demon's Souls was divided into level sections, but Dark Souls is divided by the environment.
Dickwraith
over 11 years ago
What are you? Casul?
Casual much
over 11 years ago
Get a torch or a skull lantern from one of the necromancers in the catacombs you just went through, it's not that hard a zone and Nito is one joke of a boss.
Joe, the reason why the game is difficult.....is BECAUSE the game is MEANT to be difficult. I have played this game, it is a bastard, but if you can get through the land, work out where to go, and balance your spending and leveling, you will rise above the casuals.
Giantdad
over 11 years ago
Joe u casul
Mithrandir
over 11 years ago
I LOVE the Tomb of Giants ! :D
It's exactly what i'm looking for when playing Dark Souls : something other games don't have the balls to offer you !
When I got there I made 3 steps then went back, i came when I has a spell that illuminate.
Drake
over 11 years ago
The first thing you need to realize about Dark Souls is that /dying isn't losing/. In Dark Souls death is one of the tools at your disposal. You try and die and lose absolutely nothing for dying. It's important to your enjoyment of Dark Souls to get out of the "dying means I suck" mentality.
Roeg
over 11 years ago
That is why you go to the place where the game suggests you to go, Jo. If you paid attention to what the people said and went to the castle instead of going to the higher-level areas with the skeletons or the curse-phantoms, you would find the challenge much more to your level.
Ridge
over 11 years ago
Honestly i loved dark souls as soon as i played it, and your "unfair deaths" are just a result of going to the wrong places first...that's basically the same as trying to get through diglets cave in pokemon blue without having flash. Its possible, its just incredibly hard and nobody found it unfair.
Dave
over 11 years ago
Well they didn't title it "Prepare to Die edition" for nothing :D
But I understand your point, that's why I never got the game. I like a challenge, but this game seemed to frustrating for my taste.
GreatEvilBetty
over 11 years ago
I just started playing Dark Souls after I got it on sale in the Steam Summer Sale. I played the HELL out of Demon's Souls, so I knew I was probably going to enjoy Dark Souls, as everyone says it's better.
So far, I am liking it a lot. My old play style seems to be carrying over just fine.
Nito is the best at skeletons
over 11 years ago
PS I hope tomorrow's strip is him going back to it, struggling all the way through the Tomb, and getting blocked by the gold fog door because he hasn't got the Lordvessel yet :D
you lose
over 11 years ago
And Not a Single Victory Was Given That Day
Nito is the best at skeletons
over 11 years ago
"Some deaths are cheap, which I never feel in the first one."
That's weird, I never felt that in Dark Souls, but when I checked out Demon's Souls after it I ended up ragequitting in the Tower of Latria after getting pissed off at those casters stunning me and one-shotting me all the time.
Toaster
over 11 years ago
I'm sorry Jo, but the pitch black darkness isn't "terrible design", it's meant for it. You're supposed to either walk around blind or sacrifice defense for a lamp. That's the whole point of the area. That's the point of the game. You die. You learn. You die again. You learn some more. Then you win.
Lol, Jo
over 11 years ago
Getting mad at Dark Souls because you die is like getting mad at your car for not driving without gas. Your car needs gas to drive and you need to die in order to play Dark Souls. Noone can play Dark Souls without dying a few thousand times. No matter how cheap some deaths can be.
Talmaduvi
over 11 years ago
the funny part is that the boss at the end of the tomb is one of the easier in the game; getting there is much more difficult ^^
Sanichi
over 11 years ago
But, Dark Souls is easy. It just has a learning curve.
what?
over 11 years ago
Blaming DS just for common content? Not because of invaders? Weird.
Also, death in DS - is something you have to get used to, just common daily thing. Step by step you will suck less. I finished game twice just using sword and shield, not even a bow and totally without magic.
MattoMatteo
over 11 years ago
I understand very well how do you feel, Jo!
In the "ancient times of my yout" there were games where do you had to put the sprite at the exactly last pixel of the chasms, to jump safely to the other side, or else... DIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE!!!!
Traumatizing... ç_ç
Reaperfan
over 11 years ago
Keep at it Jo. There are ways to get rid of the darkness if you look hard enough around the game. Buy spells if you can use them, explore every inch of Lost Izalith, and if you still don't find anything it'll give you something to get rid of the darkness shortly into the Tomb itself :)
tits
over 11 years ago
no tits :(
Ratzing
over 11 years ago
Lastly, at first playthrough, you don't expect this boss damage to NOT revert. So you have no inclination to Save&Quit. Sure, you don't actually damage his healthbar, but still, it's a very vague hint. So yea, 90% of people, even if they are decent at videogames, will DIE at least once on BoC.
Ratzing
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331393]@Mel[/url]
Also, not a single new player coming for the first time to BoC will think of Save & Quit strategy. Why should he? You will think "I will run to the other part and destroy it dodging those hands"; and then boom! you fall down.
SomeShmuck
over 11 years ago
If you're having fun with Dark Souls,you're doing it wrong.
@Mel
over 11 years ago
Bed of Chaos is the easiest boss after the Pinwheel. BUT when you go in there for the first time, without any previous knowledge how does this boss works, you will probably die. I mean the falling down flor isn't the thing you'd expect.
Maphysto
over 11 years ago
@Nerf NOW!!: That's definitely one of the game's flaws. It's a great game, but the learning curve is too steep. If you have to spend hours reading the wiki to know where to go or how to build a character is bad design.
Also, don't play a Knight. Pyromancer and Cleric are best for solo.
SiebteNacht
over 11 years ago
For the most part, just try to avoid the enemies, it goes decently enough.
SiebteNacht
over 11 years ago
That first drop is a bit silly admittedly, i fell for it too, but honestly you can get past it by moving slowly. The tough enemies down there arent all that tough, just big as shit, most you can kill pretty easy if you can isolate em.Skeletal dogs are cheesy though :/
[url=#user_comment_331420]@roarawr[/url]: I have no Lord Vessel, and, yes, I'm not supposed to be there yet.
This is the problem with Dark Souls imo. It's very hard to know where you should be.
But hey, if people like it, play it. I had my fill. :)
roarawr
over 11 years ago
overdramatic, it is not that hard. and if you played trough demon souls, I am very dissapointed or yoy played a amge/healer(easy mode)
just get lantern or maggot but it is easy, just watch out for the bone monsters.
if you pre-lord vessale , you entering a place that is suppose to not go
[url=#user_comment_331394]@Abedeus[/url]: Indeed, but when I rushed to kill the last Necromancer (the one who drops the Skull Lantern) I died to a Black Knight and couldn't loot the Skull.
I managed to get a 2nd skull inside the Tombs, but having a Skull there isn't optimal. You really want the Hat which gives light.
Fiddles
over 11 years ago
Tomb of the giants isn't my favorite either but it is a destination you do not do unless
You have the sunlight maggot
The skull lantern
And or have talked to big tits in Anor Londo for your 'Bitch I'm out' card before you warp yourself to somewhere much easier...
Like the ninth ring of Hell...
Goro
over 11 years ago
I'm glad I got to enjoy games as a kid without this ridiculous attitude of being desperately insecure about game difficulty.
"Oh man, only two hits before you die in Mario? That one part where a Goomba traps you under some blocks? This game is so hardcore for hardcore gamers like myself!"
Abedeus
over 11 years ago
So... you are bad at the game. The damn necromancer drops item that you can put on secondary left hand slot, and swap to it when not in combat...
Mel
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331392]@Ratzing[/url]: Dying? Bed of Chaos? Wut? The Save&Quit boss is a stroll in the park.
Ratzing
over 11 years ago
Also, the whole "Limited visibility, chasms, lotsa enemies (that weren't that strong)" is pretty good design for harder part of the dungeon. One of few bad designs of difficulty is widely hated Bed of Chaos, where 99% of the players WILL DIE, 'cause fuck you I'm a Bed of Chaos.
Ratzing
over 11 years ago
Tombs of Giants was difficult? Wut?
Dark Souls in general isn't as difficult as people make it out to be. And ToG is one of the most overrated areas - you just take Sunlight Maggot and divine weapon and you're all set.
Jo, you casual scum ;)
Mel
over 11 years ago
The very first Necromancer drops a lantern you piece of shit BR casual.
JustAidan
over 11 years ago
Please tell me you have either the Sunlight Maggot or Skull Lantern; forget about doing the Tomb of Giants otherwise.
Acerbus
over 11 years ago
And that is how you lose in dark souls... quitting.
Giantdad
over 11 years ago
THE LEGEND NEVER DIES, JO
ichik
over 11 years ago
Well, there were the colored lights on the floor which showed the path there, and that whole dark section isn't that large.
Cattz
over 11 years ago
An Apple for gaming?
AH-hahahaaha!!
See guys, the comics are still just as funny as ever!!!
Eh, I found the falling floor in Blighttown bullshit, since there's no other falling floor (at least to my knowledge) in the game.
Dota Fanboy
over 11 years ago
Casual is the only thing that comes to mind.
Dark Souls has some excellent design, but not everyone is good enough to play it.
As arrogant as it sounds, it's true. A casual player doesn't want to take the time to understand a game, he just wants to play it, which is also fine.
rev
over 11 years ago
I remember getting here the first time. Even with lantern and wiki cheating, I was getting my ass handed to me. I didn't think it was particularly cheap though, that honor goes to Bed of Chaos.
Add me on GFWL and I'll give you a hand with the tomb (PC)
~isocryd
BTW, if that's bad for you, I'm looking forward to a comic about Anor Londo :3
P.S. Follow the damn markers!
somerandomdude
over 11 years ago
I wonder if he already met the wheel skeletons at the painted world
anon200
over 11 years ago
I Loved this part, considering I was one of those ppl who set "safe" passage messages in fun places.
Darkwraith
over 11 years ago
lol jo mad
kek
over 11 years ago
>plays dark souls
>ragequits when it gets literally dark
toplel
Ninj77
over 11 years ago
That's a pretty smart move, Jo.
There isn't nothing worst that forcing yourself to play a game and not enjoying it.
Somefag
over 11 years ago
But you can find a lanternnnnnnn
Tk
over 11 years ago
In other words, being too hard is dark souls design. But there's still ways to get through the darkness or dim visibility (if you get a light source) through the giant skeletons, ranged attackers, wheel skeletons, black knights, traps, pit falls, skeleton babies, flying asshats, that one npc
imercenary
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331196]@BobisOnlyBob[/url] Except you can say that with virtually any game. No one calls adventure games "hard" despite the fact that you can compress a 20+ hour first run into a ~4 hour second run simply by "understanding it and know the terrain and enemies".
momfucker
over 11 years ago
@/dsg/: your mom is a casual at sex with me, and no one's complainin
Tk
over 11 years ago
Poor design? Hardlyl. Its working as intended to be one of those zones you fear more than any other. Cept for all the other zones you fear more than any other.
BobisOnlyBob
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331194]@imercenary[/url]: The first run through Dark Souls always takes time, but it's about developing awareness and player skill. Your second run takes a fraction of the time, because you understand it and know the terrain and the enemies. It doesn't even take long to learn how to navigate TotG without light.
RPRezo
over 11 years ago
It's almost like you've never played meroidvania-stiled games, where the whole point is finding items that make previously unpassable parts of the game open to exploration. And this is awesome.
imercenary
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331157]@Clayvman[/url]
Its not about patience though, its about time. The difficulty of Dark/Demons Souls is directly proportional to the amount of time you put in.
Ken Ashcorp (not really)
over 11 years ago
GET GUD FAGGET
/dsg/
over 11 years ago
hahaha
Casual...
Gegriel
over 11 years ago
"Dark Souls" and "terrible design" in the same text is certainly an error.
BobisOnlyBob
over 11 years ago
You're handed a straightforward light source on the way in. If you have sorcery, there's a dedicated spell for it. And if you do Demon Ruins to Lost Izalith first, there's a much more convenient permanent light source obtainable. You play MOBAs, and yet you can't suck this up?
Zamzoph
over 11 years ago
You tried going through Tomb of the Giants BLIND? BAAAHAHAHAHAHA!! ...but seriously, if you're getting roadblocked trying to go one way, that's when you pick somewhere else to go, instead.
Clayvman
over 11 years ago
I never had a problem with it, of course I'm a lot more patient when it comes to video games so maybe I had that in my favor....specially with Dark Souls...deaths and losing everything didn't bother me that much. Tomb of Giants was the first place I beat. Just have to get something that casts light.
[url=#user_comment_331147]@Glamador[/url] How is it cheap and frustrating? Areas are clearly lit, attacks are clearly telegraphed, and the game doesn't punish you for failure like Dark Souls and Demon's Souls does, it just asks you to try again.
Random
over 11 years ago
I actually found Dark Souls easier to beat than Monster Hunter.
Glamador
over 11 years ago
[url=#user_comment_331140]@Geary[/url]: I disagree with this sentiment is most ways. It IS somewhat similar to the Souls combat system, which is what drew me to it. HOWEVER, it is in every way as cheap and frustrating but without the sense of satisfaction that comes from exploration and discovery.
It is a slog in every sense.
Jo, I reccomend Monster Hunter. It's like Dark Souls/Demon's Souls, but with less cheapness and arbitrary difficulty and more spending the entire game in a series of increasingly awesome boss fights.
NeroKira
over 11 years ago
Sorry to hear your stopping, I would say try summoning online if you want to finish quickly
Tomb of Giants was a terrible place. Even with the things that let you see where you're going, you don't have much sight.
You either need to track down a spell, [Cast Light](you need to defeat the lake hydra.) or get the [Skull Lantern] -from inside- the tomb to be able to see at all.
BlueFlytrap
over 11 years ago
Maybe you should bring a light. There's 3 different kinds so pick your poison.
You can also just run right through the tomb without fighting anything and Nito is a joke.
Nito, Lord of the Dead
over 11 years ago
NOOB~!
That Guy
over 11 years ago
Early warning for PTD, find help or prepare to run, run like you're in an expensive suit and all the monsters are your runny nosed relatives, who all want hugs.
Darkfire32
over 11 years ago
wow, a 7 panel comic, chiz just got serious
Solaire of Astora
over 11 years ago
@That Guy: I started playing the expansion (although I also did a 180° turn after seeing what Tomb of Giants looked like), and the Guardian didn't seemed that much (killed two of the last 4 bosses yet). Still, I'm no near the two bosses of the expansion, so there is frustration yet to come.
That Guy
over 11 years ago
Heh, wow, if that's what broke your back then Dark Souls wasn't meant for you. Dark Souls expansion is literally Prepare to Die, if you aren't, welp, then Sanctuary Guardian will be where you're controller becomes one with the ceiling.
