@Elyseon my comment was there to point out the flaw in shellhit calling him a Mary sue, which is a female who's a radiant flower of purity.("Perfect Woman") when he should've suggested he was a Marty stu, an absolute badass who can flawlessly kill entire armies without a scratch.("perfect man")
@nightarix: Going from stormtrooper to rebel to Jedi didn't happen overnight, and each of those happened for important reasons. He had a lot of character development over the years. Being a certified badass does not a Sue make.
@Shellhit: He went through a lot of shit, and while some refer to him as the Chuck Norris of Star Wars, he's far from sueish. He fails like everyone else. His ability to use dark side abilities was always a source of concern for him. He did his share of stupid shit, but evolved.
@MisterGunpowder: Batman can be pretty sueish if the story is handled poorly. Also I am looking at wiki page of Kyle and he also beat Boba Fett and was Luke Skywalker's student. I don't say for sure, but this looks like a bad fanfic level of totally radical character to me.
@Shellhit It's what a Mary Sue/Marty Stu does to a story that defines them as such, not secondary characteristics like that. We don't call Batman a Marty Stu, even though he became an expert detective, master martial artist, and superb actor all by the age of 21 or so.
Isn't Kyle Katarn is one of the marysuest character ever? He is stormtrooper, rebel, mercenary, jedy master who can also use dark force stuff, etc, etc...
@White Rice: The AU purge carried out by Disney was an outrage that many fans will never forget. Interestingly enough, some people behind the Rebels series seem to be trying to sneak parts of the AU back into canon territory.
@Elyseon: since Disney got Star Wars, all the EU stuff stopped being canon. As of now, the movies, the shows, and 2 books are all that's "official". Kyle doesn't exist anymore (especially since the whole "get the Death Star plans" thing was the first introduction to Katarn in dark forces)
@Aard Ambrose: That isn't true. I've carried and been carried multiple times. Yea, one guy can fuck you over but in another game some other dude can be the sole saving grace you have.
That is why I prefer DoTa over LoL or HotS:It's so swingy! And people at low MMR are always frustrated, in any game
@MangoMaster4: That's why I'm hesitant to even look at Star Wars at this point. The one-two punch of Disney (textbook example of capitalist exploitation) owning the IP and JJ Abrams (nerd nostalgia fetishist) helming the sequels makes me hostile.
In other games, even if your team loses, you can personally do alright much more often. DOTA teams, almost always, go down all at once. Even if by some miracle you did great, your MMR still falls. Thus, at low MMRs, people rapidly become too frustrated and fed up to be nice.
The problem with Rogue One is that episode VII was just not very good. I watched VII for the same reason I watched the prequels and VII, but it makes less and less sense to me to watch star wars, because it just hasn't been good since the sequels.
