Might as well remove both wheels and the steering and replace the seat with a spike.

Guild Wars 2 is not F2P, it's PayOnce+Optional Cash Store.

So optional you can get the currency used in the store stuff with in-game coins, like with Spiral Knights, just without having to pay the currency to play like in Spiral Knights, just to get shinies faster...

SHINIES!

Usually F2P is a bike w/o a chain, it looks and feels right but it just wont go anywhere. I guess SWToR F2P was just a pain in the ass to deal with.

I agree with Tyvadi; the only reason I subscribed to it in the first place was to experience the story; I couldn't care less about the less than stellar MMO experience that was tacked onto it by EA. This thing should have just been a single player game in the first place.

You don't need the bank that much though. The mats can be stored in the collection.

And why do people keep calling Guild Wars 2 free2play? Sure, there's no subscription payment, but it still cost about $60 to buy it.

"And while it's tiring to point it at this point, for the same entry price you can just play Guild Wars 2 for free and without feeling like your are a 2nd class citizen."

Unless you're a Guardian.

Wait, what is that black thing on top of the bike seat in the first picture? Have I been riding mine wrong?

[url=#user_comment_196377]@Quinch[/url]: Oh don't worry, that meme isn't going anywhere. And yeah, everyone knows CoH is being put down because NCSoft is diverting those assets to keep Lineage from dying. Which is too bad because Lineage is fucking horrible. I'm just saying CoH was another example of failed handcuffed F2P.

I was looking forward to F2P. But this? This is garbage. They ought to take notes from LOTRO for what gets unlocked. Definitely overpriced at "free"

You think its going to start poking them in their collective heads yet?

So much for a f2p SWTOR... :c

...so, anyone know when GW2 will be on sale?

It's going to be great to see a game fail at going free 2 play

[url=#user_comment_196401]@Shadow12000[/url]: i'm not trying to start flame or something like that. Just pointing out that even if you got gems using ingame currency to update your bank, somebody payed to buy those gems. Which means some other player bought you update. so it's not FREE!

You can buy the seat as a DLC at the online store.

Where are the muffins?

I'd have to really disagree. The game isn't for hardcore Star Wars fans, its for hardcore KOTOR fans and they're getting everything they wanted out of the game: the story. For me and those of us who just wanted KOTOR 3, we could do with even less features.

lenghty

Usually the amount of fucks I give to misspellings is hovering around one, but when it's the only linked word? C'mon!

[url=#user_comment_196419]@Scow2[/url]: The term you want is "Buy-2-Play/B2P"

Should be a speeder bike.

I'm probably not the first to say this, but Guild Wars 2 is not "free to play." You still need to buy the actual game.

Both bikes are lacking spokes. Future expansion material?

[url=#user_comment_196313]@Corsiy[/url]: Before you start even debating about the gems, realize that they also have an entire team of people that manage the economy of the Gem:Gold ratio to make sure it never gets far too expensive from people just buying gems with cash and trading for gold. Same with their Auction House system.

The game never intended to be F2P in the first place, it just hinted it would give eventually a very small and ultra "restrictive" option to non-subscribers.

Yeah, I know. Another tricky sales pitch, indeed.

The funniest thing is, the very first time SWTOR announced the phrase: "Free to Play" everyone went nuts: F2P FTW!!! yeah, booo! screw this! About time! RAGE RAGE RAGE!!!

I guess then nobody noticed that little word besides that phrase "option".

Well, This ,,Pay for more fun" system never Worked for me, Look at Champions online Game Isn't the Best, But did a Good job on the F2P Modell

Still, TF2 did the Best Example for F2P Shooter, why? They don't FORCE you to Buy stuff

@Mein Herr: That was Star Wars Galaxies Run by SOE. The Old Republic is run (apparently into the ground) by Bioware.

[url=#user_comment_196298]@DeadHerald[/url]: TOR failed because, like so many other MMOs, it tried to outWOW the WOW. City of Heroes actually stayed profitable - modestly, but consistently. So, what happened to it? It took a refocusing of publishing support to the knee. {late meme is late, but I don't care}

I thought the Star Wars servers were shutdown?

MOAR FAN SERVICE POR FAVOR!

asasasas

Translating F2P as "Free to play" is a commun mistake. Originaly, it was dubbed "Free to Pay".

StarWars The Old Republic Free2Play is not a pain in the ass but the whole EA is a pain in the ass, or more specifically, a buttraep in the ass.

[url=#user_comment_196313]@Corsiy[/url]: And yes, the gems you buy in-game in gw2 come from other players selling them in the game itself.

I don't get the people bashing GW2's system. You can perfectly play everything else without ever buying anything other than the game itself. Sure, bank space is a bit cramped, but I bought myself 2 additional tabs with gems I bought with in-game currency within the first month of playing.

So inb4 EA makes the F2P game experience so miserable as to be virtually unplayable then declares that F2P is dead. Noting in their long winded speech that the financial woes their MMO is facing are all the fault of rampant piracy >.>

@T.:
I'm pretty sure f2p players who play DDO are pretty happy, Turbine is pretty happy too. It all comes down to good f2p model and not being assholes (which is impossible in case of EA).

We need to put engi on that F2P bike. She'll love it!

DarkestPhoenix: And gems came from nowhere?? xD Or maybe some other player bought then and selling in game to obtain easy fast gold?
In fact don't see a point to compare GW2 and SWTOR at all... completely different games.
And one more thing, GW don't have Lucas arts and EA breathing their neck.

That bicycle metaphor illustrates the point so well...

F2p players won't be happy unless they get all features for free. Which will never happen, AAA titles aren't donation-ware.

It's the cycle of gaming, my friends: f2p is announced, subscribers rage to no end, f2pers scream: "We won!".. now the restrictions list come out, subscribers celebrate and f2pers shout: "F.U.!!!!".
(insert "lion's king theme song").

>playing bioware games
>2012

Silly SW:TOR. Handcuffed F2P didn't work for City of Heroes, and look what happened to them.

Seriously, they've pretty much gone overboard on that list. It's less "buy subscription get cool stuff" and more "don't buy subscription and have fun looking at a blank wall".

Corsiy: All gems can be bought with in-game currency, That is all.
Alex: Who doesn't want revenge over a lost bar fight? If the writing doesn't appeal to you, then it doesn't, but don't write it off as "crap" just because you don't like the setting or quirks.

...so stingy.

Unless you're Valve you simply cannot afford to make a real F2P game. GW2 has plenty of "Allegedly Free Game" features.

What's more, SWTOR is still better because it wasn't written by retards - seriously, you want me to go on a fetch quest for revenge over a lost bar fight? Who wrote that crap?

Um... FTP was made for ppl who waned to experience awesome stories for each class. There were a lot of complaints about it =)
Btw GW2 bit annoying with FTP features as well. Like expand your bank or add extra backpack slot using gems. It not that obvious as in SWTOR, but it's still there...

Shouldn't you also have removed the pedals and the front wheel?
Because really, that's how crippling the F2P version looks like.

"without feeling like your are a 2nd class citizen."
*you're

This image is perfect - not just for Old republic, I never even played that, but I've tried few free to play titles and most of them are this bad. Yes, you can play them, but sooner or later you'll find out that it's just not as fun as it could be, because it was designed that way...

SWTOR isnt worth playing for endgame anyway. My friend and I cleared the game month and a half after release and by the looks of it there wast anything new sinse then. "Story mode" is nice and f2p limitations wont effect it much, so try it.
Oh, and Ill repeat myself: endgame isnt worth it.

Star Wars TOR F2P: "Y'get jack shit unless you pay the subscription fee. Have a couple bones for buying anything though!"

TF2 F2P: "Pay a buck for an item, get everything like everyone else. Why? Cause we're VALVE bitches, WE CAN DO THAT."

Simple, but the message is loud and clear.

I like it.

Okay, yes, the F2P hurts.

But it won't affect me, because I've been a 6-month-recurring sub since the beginning, and intend to stay that way.

I should probably warn my friends before they try it, though. It looks like it's basically just a barebones free trial without a level cap.

MMO's haven't had a good track record with F2P. The model just doesn't seem to fit well with the game, as they need to make you pay somehow. The best was probably DDO or DC universe, and even then they were no match of the standard sub fee of WoW

All the restrictions are perfectly fine for playing through the eight campaigns, and travelling isn't all that bad, especially since they made sprinting a starting power, and the respawn points are fairly regular.

We don't have a date for f2p yet, so we? It was a lifesaver that got held up to a drowning game but never thrown.

Wow... I had been thinking to give it a try once it went F2P, but the list of restrictions means I won't even give the game a look.

I read the list. It was almost LITERALLY painful to read...

Don't forget that if you want your 'credits' for paying, you have to have an active sub before it's F2P. I stopped playing in April, and very little has changed since I left. It was rather depressing to read the fifteen patch notes since then to find how little had been altered.

Don't forget after hitting level 50 the wheels fall off.

'Sup