Support Sven is actually okay.

Holy balls, guys, why are all of you (that's hyperbole) idiots? Jo is listing builds which a newbie would think is weird, but are common (or, at least, used to be common) on the pro-scene. He did not say "All these builds are bad. Please tell me I am shit at Dota because me no understand de meta."

I have seen some unique methods, but the type I hate is the shouters. The ones that constantly shout at you when their the ones screwing up. The ones where if you do ask what they "want" they just go back and b*tch at you instead of giving any adivce and then use you as the "reason" for their loss.

Support Sven is common, though.

AA played a support sven

[url=#user_comment_257931]@rice_in_a_bowl[/url]: other heroes can get those as well and benefit more from them, so statement stays.

I know the feel, especially when you call mid before the game starts and a jungler goes mid after you've already taken up residence, then he later wonders why I'm not fed like I'm supposed to be. :I

I honestly can't get that into dota. I don't like LoL any better really. Yeah I'm bad, and I know it, but hell it's just not fun "getting good" at the game.

I find the most effective way to stay happy in these situations is to ask why a teammate is doing something you think is weird rather than berating them for it. If they know something you don't, you get to learn something that day. If they're just doing random shit, you get to fix that and win.

[url=#user_comment_258012]@mags[/url] Thank you.

Both mid necro and support sven are good options. Also, enchantress can be a lane support in some certain picks.

well put

necrolyte mid is viable. support sven was the standard before he got buffed, he was a stunbitch back then, getting arcane and wards.

jo you are shit at dota, period.

[url=#user_comment_257782]@MMer[/url]: The MMR isn't transparent, although it is defiantly not based on solely on KDR or Win%.

You have to remember, people can also see their skill bracket if they're in high and very high due to replay searches; a guy in very high and 300+ games has no business doing completely retarded things.

dota never gets better you liar

My first game was with clockwerk. I won. Now all of my opponents are hard as balls.
Also: Any chance of a Sang-Froid comic? Probably not, sorry for asking.

Treant is cannabis

In all seriousness I BLAME Y.O.U

bitcha

Quelling Blade? Tangoes? TREANT IS A CANNABALIST!

It's totally legit. Check out some pro matches, will ya? Highest. Base. Damage. Ever.

Unlike League, which just stays shit xD

Don't hate the game, hate the player!

i am never played DOTA but, is it not possible to leveling killing small creatures (jellys)?

The first ring is for unprepared newbies
Then come the people with no build
Then the ragers
and so on.

The inner ring has a multi-headed moba satan constantly consuming some guy named x420jooLawrd69Xx and the pope.

[url=#user_comment_257928]@Syzygy[/url]: I have more losses than wins and lots of those losses were simply because someone left or went afk.

Your mistakes are only your fault when you can't find someone/thing other than you to blame them on.

[url=#user_comment_257971]@JackDesert[/url]: Oh, yes. I remember that! Though I kinda wanted a new one with both Engies now. ;D

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wow

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necrolyte mid is viable. support sven was the standard before he got buffed, he was a stunbitch back then, getting arcane and wards.

jo you are shit at dota, period.

yay more dota 2 do a LoL and maybe a hon comic next

zzzzzzzzzz

[url=#user_comment_257889]@Ninj77[/url]: THe hot lesbian scene was a few back, Tentacle Jo interrupted it to put them in costumes.

this is why league sucks

[url=#user_comment_257908]@Spyper[/url] you can have a lot of those at rule34

That's why you play DotA-likes with your friends. You expect them to suck, so you can't blame them. It's easy.

I can't agree with the joke behind this comic. Several people have shown they can get a brand new account into "Very High" matches whilst their main is stuck in normal. It genuinely appears that the matchmaking is messed up in that respect; and a long time in normal will mean you NEVER progress.

I don't care about people playing badly. I just hate when people starts calling everyone trash just because things didn't go their way.

Another reason NOT to play DOTA2

dota 2 matchmaking, the awful thing which its awful than get own by overpowered hero. Riot pls fix.

[url=#user_comment_257928]@Syzygy[/url]: you got 8/0 because enemy gankers are busy ganking your teammates. sure your teammates might be feeding and are bad, but that means the heat isn't on you, that's why you got 8/0.

[url=#user_comment_257920]@Frelus[/url][url=#user_comment_257929] @2[/url] Deal with it.

[url=#user_comment_257914]@dealwithit[/url]: u sucks

[url=#user_comment_257926]@Syzygy[/url]: You might say that I'm just a bad player and sure, I lose my lanes too - but when every lane get's stomped in 70% of the games then there's something wrong with matchmaking. But it's even more frustrating if you end your lane 8/0 and then still lose because of the rest of the team.

As a LoL player I feel like I get matched with worse players than our enemy team constantly in ranked... and I have the stats to back it up, I've lost considerably more ranked games than I have won.

[url=#user_comment_257914]@Dealwithit[/url]: So, bad players should be matched with good players to have a bad experience by being dominated constantly AND ruin the better players' game? Yeah, right. Also, HoN and LoL are exactly the same with their matchmaking systems.

this is the reason why dota 2 sucks

fuck Dota. and ponies.

I may not play DOTA, but I know exactly how she feels.

Wow, I started playing Dota 2 about a week ago, I got it from a friend's free game code and never installed it for about 4 months

Weelllll...I have to admit that Jo did really came out with a comic involving both Engies.

But where's the hot lesbian scene?

And why is everybody looking at me funny for not commenting on Jo's comment?

I think you guys are missing the point of Jo's comment...

I really can't play games like this where there is set rules for what certain characters are good at (as in can't do anything else without losing horribly). Maybe I'm just too casual of a gamer.

Terrible players are the ones that have a bad attitude and don't learn from mistakes and just keep doing worse and worse as the game progresses. A carry that picks a support role is valid if there's no other support doing it, a 'support' picking the carry role is valid as long as he does the damage.

DotA is meant to be a game where flexibility has strong presence. Saying you can only play Sven as a carry or Necro as a support is a totally dumb thing. I've carried several games with Necro and Sven but that doesn't mean I won't support with them if situation calls for it (on a clan war or such).

Support Sven and mid Necro are valid strategies.. Lane enchantress, not so much.

You should play WoT some time if you want to see bone headed players.

of another normal players, who dont understand game so much, and then you make more people believe in these things. i dont say you dont understand nothing in dota, but please prove verity of your facts before you made comics. it sometimes really annoys me when i reading false things about dota.

i dont like some of your comics about dota mechanics, because you are just ordinary player. i dont think be normal player is bad, but you dont understand dota so much, so your comics are sometimes about things you hear many people say, so you believe it is true. but it isnt, because they are opinion

http://www.dotafire.com/dota-2/guide/this-is-getting-absurd-4198

also check any Sven hero profile in good dota sites and you will see: support. yes, his main role is ganker/carry but he can be good intiator or support too and there is not problem with that.

support sven...

ok, that really show me you really dont understand dota so much, like when you said Meepo is unbalanced.

so here it is:

best playdota guide consider Sven as support: http://www.playdota.com/guides/clich-is-clich

second-best guide in dotafire too:

You call support Sven a weird build?

How about carry Veno? Support Huskar? Shadowblade on every hero?

Also, pro games have in the past ran: Solo mid wisp. Dual mid. Even TRIPLE JUNGLE (two solo lanes with one lane completely unoccupied) (it was Mouzsports using Doom, and they won).

Just saying, Necrolyte mid is actually good. :P

[url=#user_comment_257841]@mindfaQ[/url]: implying there are no items to increas attack speed. mom, armlet, even treads might do at least something.

http://i1.kwejk.pl/site_media/obrazki/2012/03/11b036c345611fcf658f9de4c1fe68c1.png?1333200656
Players with weird builds tend to either know something funny about mechanics/bugs or be idiots too lazy to even check out wiki. This comes from wow, but I bet other games are just the same in this case

Um...Necrolyte is just fine mid Jo...so is Support Sven (This was quite popular back in the day due to his high damage nuke, long, guaranteed stun, and in aoe, he was played as a roamer/initiator in the ilk of Sand King).

I remember when support Sven was the go-to build, and if you happened to get really good early game you could semicarry.

It's funny because laning Enchantress, mid Necrolyte and support Sven are all perfectly viable strategies (and in the case of Necro probably the optimal one).

[url=#user_comment_257733]@rice_in_a_bowl[/url]: he also has the worst BAT (means he will attack more slowly than any other hero with the same items) and no steroid skill.

Interestingly enough, this also applies to any other game with an online matchmaking system.

apparently carry treant used to be a strong choice for his build before all the nerfs

Oh boy, I'm so interested in this. I don't even know what DOTA actually means.

I don't know why I can't look away from this comic, given that I understand 1/10 of the jokes, and that 1/10 is usually cheap fanservice... o.o

Say what you want, but I will never try to justify a Phantom assassin that managed to buy ARCANE BOOTS and half of MEK in 35minutes... There is no "secret" strategy in this decision - it's flat out lack of BASIC Dota knowledge (yes - we had supports in our team. 2 of them to be exact.)

Can we stop having comics about bad games and get some Starcraft 2 comics up in this hizzhouse?

Funnily enough Support Sven is an example of people playing bad stuff, even tough he was universally played as a support until a month before DreamHack

@Rotund'jere
Maybe not that weird, one time I laned against an enchantress in lane, she was solo and we were two, and she kicked our behinds (very hard to kill with her regen) and starting lvl 6 she hit like a truck too. Then again, I was really sucky back then^^

Bronze, Bronze scum everywhere.

I'm sure you can tell by all the comments by people who are basically judging you in the same way you mention that some of your 'weird' examples aren't all that weird. Especially Necrolyte, with farm and levels long fights will almost always favour the walking healing ward. Lane chanty is weird tho

Well why not Trent carry? :D He have the biggest attack at the start

Does matchmaking actually pair you measuring your skill? What does it measure? Win%, KDR? As a support I'm full of 2-5-10 impeccable matches. Yesterday I won a game by overpushing with Nature's Prophet yet ended up 5-9-3...is that a bad game?

Is there a way to know in which bracket you are?

Necrolyte mid is the best way to play Necrolyte you fucking baddie.

Though I dislike your DOTA comics this one features your TF2 characters and humor that I understand and find amusing. You get a B- for this comic Jo. +More TF2 plox

Does the art style seem a little bit off to anyone? Specifically in the last 2 frames?

Support Sven is the ONLY viable build until he got insane buffs to his ulti and cleave, maybe to balance him along with 4.2 and +40 agi lvl 6.

Icefrog must be smoking crack lately.

Necro is a fine mid though. He is more reliant on levels than farm, has a way to contest runes without losing farm with the nuke/heal (in fact, may make them lose farm if they try to go since your creeps heal through their nukes). But he doesn't deal great damage - you kinda want a right click carry

I kinda would like to play a game with you if you werent so far away that either one would have horrible ping.

Lane enchantress is surprisingly strong in a 1v1 situation. In a team game however, its a troll build.

And how else would you play necro? He is TERRIBLE as a support - a high costing nuke/heal with short range, and needs last hits and kills so that he can actually cast it.

@This is a name: Ideally, Necro wants to take a solo safe lane.

Lane enchantress is surprisingly strong in a 1v1 situation. In a team game however, its a troll build.

And how else would you play necro? He is TERRIBLE as a support - a high costing nuke/heal with short range, and needs last hits and kills so that he can actually cast it.

That there is a defeatist attitude. ALL random pub teams are terrible, because there is no good teamwork, no communication and no awareness. It's not just your team, it's everyone. Only way to rise above is speak openly and carry hard - and pray the team has enough stuns.

Support Sven was how he was played for quite a while. His stun is strong at level 1, making him a strong roamer, as well as doing reasonable damage without many items. He got some buffs which geared him more towards a carry role, but he is still viable as support (and is played as low farm often).

Support Sven is the optimal build. I'm not joking, go watch some pros. He deals lots of damage with little items and has two useful semi-spammable skills.

Is this secretly a post about WoT?

@Dota Fanboy: feel free to indulge yourself in your false victory, while I go watch Last Exile for the meantime.

@Dota Fanboy: to me it looks like you're the one who can't provide some arguments and just proceed to spread how "knowledgeable" you are.

[url=#user_comment_257730]@rice_in_a_bowl[/url]: I'm not talking about your idea with Carry Treant, even though you don't seem to know how Carry Treant works either. There's no excuse with the current balancing to lane with enchantress (or chen for that matter).

@Dota Fanboy: trust me, i used my years of experience where we play carry treant. sure times changed but the possibility is still there.

cont. source of income wouldn't that be that hard. implying he can't last hit with his insane base damage.

plus as str he can be durable and have high damage. he has escape and a very good disable.

[url=#user_comment_257727]@rice_in_a_bowl[/url] Feel free to have your opinion. You clearly don't base it on a lot of experience, but I would like to refer you to todays strip.

[url=#user_comment_257719]@Anon[/url]: carry treant is actually nice, since aside from overgrowth, and probably some meka(if play him as support), you'd be wasting his potential if you treat him as just cannon fodder. if you lane him properly though, using leech seed to kill with a good lane partner, then your source..cont.

@Dota Fanboy: she got slow, heal and is untouchable.

hmmm, bad laning indeed. oh, you're ranged in case you say "she gets two shotted by spells"

DotA has matchmaking, it's just hidden, and it apparently does prioritize stacks versus stacks.

I'm not sure if it was the intent or not, but support sven, mid necro, and lane enchantress (dat aspd slow) are all actually viable to some extent. Carry Treant, however, is less so.

I still prefer HoN matchmaking with MMR to DotA's "oh damn, its random vs stack again" system.

@Dunkmaster Flex:

Look, I get that Dota isn't super stringent on how to play a hero, but Enchantress laning?

I mean Jesus fuggen Christ..

>implying Sven isn't viable support

As Socrates once said "The gods favor me most of all, for I know that I know nothing."

You probably don't know why a hero would be good at anything yet, and although following guidelines is good for new players, don't scold people who don't.

[url=#user_comment_257701]@Actually[/url]: And Enchantress can lane, and necrolyte can mid in pub games, I think that was the point. At first you're a nooby who thinks hero can play only one certain way. As it goes on you realize how big of a fool you once were

A commendable comic!

Maybe due to using non constructive words like baddies about other players who actually play for fun - and the game allows said classes to buy other items without "teaching" each how to supposedly play the game.

Jo got it right, instead of trying to figure out why one guy did this or that, most players just flames/bashes rather than providing/accepting a good explanation.

[url=#user_comment_257701]@Actually[/url]: Sven is almost always support in team fight oriented matches and most tournaments. He's usually a carry on pubs. That's what I have observed anyway.

Support Sven is not a terrible way to play him, especially with the buff to his warcry spell - it's now incredible for pushing towers. Although it is uncommon, it isn't unheard of for competitive games to feature a Sven as position 3 in farm priority - he has solid push, stun, and gearless damage.

[url=#user_comment_257697]@Xeno[/url]: well, right now, the game is played like how dota was played years ago, no guides, just from experience. and every game, you seek to learn. unfortunately too many people think they're "pros" and don't think their knowledge is already enough.

Necrolyte mid is actually pretty good ;P

in classic dota I used to build tree as carry... >.<

The sad thing is despite everyone "knowing" how to play the game and the secrete things you are magically expected to know, no one can point to a video link or web page the TELLS you exactly how certain rolls are expect to be played. You're just stuck playing 50 games figuring this shit out yourself

should've put a rapier instead. because rapier=rape. it's in the name.

I've seen a Crystal Maiden bought Yasha before :/