@whiny man: That's my boy! ;)

(Cont.)

playing for a change. Seriously, game companies just keep releasing garbage simply because people are willing to buy these awful games.

So, the point this comic is making is that if you're going to spend money wastefully, you should spend it on something you will use?

Have you not considered not spending the money at all? If you didn't spend that money on something useless, maybe game companies would make games actually worth

and simply still win with player ability and skill, even in a mirror match. Over all player skill will always triumph over the miniscule 20damage here or 5% recovery rate there. I also am more then happy with champion rotation, makes players learn more, and saves from sterile gameplay.

You all claim that LoL is pay to win due to the "drastic endgame Runes" you can obtain with faster IP rates. See i have a problem with this, i know for a fact *as i've done it many a times* you can go into a match in the high 20 ranks without a single rune on

@Rylai CrystalMaiden: roleplaying faggot. Just say 'Why doesn't CM get a set like that?', it's not hard. Besides CM has the best set, ever.

@Rylai CrystalMaiden: roleplaying faggot. Just say 'Why doesn't CM get a set like that?', it's not hard. Besides CM has the best set, ever.

[url=#user_comment_262015]@Canucka[/url]: I got it for free, and then gave away 15 steam keys for it. $0.02 wasted, my friend, $0.02 wasted...

I'm with Jo on this one. Even after 5 years, I still buy the occasional key or item on TF2 and I know it'll be a 'better' purchase, then a new game. It might be more reasonable to not buy anything and save up, but if I do buy something, I might as well make sure I'll use it.

[url=#user_comment_262015]@Canucka[/url]: paying for a free game

I got Dota2 for $ 0.02 on the steam market XD

@Mind = tootled
What's strange about that?

Nerfnow comics
nerfnow.com/
Nerfnow.com/comic/969
ARE BOTH THR SAME O.o

In the end it is all about whether or not you want to support Dota 2 or not and to which amount. It's not like LoL where gameplay relevant elements are kept from you and you are urged into buying that stuff to get a less annoying game experience.

This is why panties DotaLoL sucks....

Why my sister Lina has this special item set while I don't have one? Am I not pretty enough for a special set too? :(

We get it, you either have no life and play over 4 hours a day (so you get to afford everything you need), or you play at such low level that the power-cycling Riot does with the game balance doesn't affect you.

Either way, your opinion isn't relevant. Chu's opinion is, though.

(6/6)
blessings.
Gladfully in that regard, there's always a Riot-sanctioned friendly and helpful great leader in my team, even when solo queuing. (spoiler : that would be me)

TL;DR : blablabla, no one cares.

(5/6)
(full disclosure: I did buy some P2W things in LoL, but at the same order of magnitude than what I would have had to pay in order to play a non-F2P game)

All that remains once playing is your skill with the roles you play (including a focused AND mastered roaster) and the matchmaking's

(4/6)
Teemo skins + Warmog stacking = free win (everyone hate you since you paid a Teemo skin, and will try to kill you at all costs even tough you are a tank)

As far as I have experienced, there is no impactful P2W aspect in a LoL players life if no mistakes are made when buying champions.

(3/6)
every champion in every role (that is you have no life outside LoL, thus having all the IPs needed already) and if you choose carefully the champions you buy (using the free week champion rotation), you shouldn't run dry on IPs.
- skins: here lies the only uncontestable P2W aspect in LoL:

(2/6)
unsatisfied with your champion roaster at the time.
- rune pages: icing on the cake, not needed if you are focused enough in champions.
- champions: would really matter only in drafts. (to allow trades, but it's a very bad idea anyway in non-premade queue) If you are not trying to master

(1/6)
On P2W in LoL:
- XP boosts: noob trap.
- runes: only a concern from level 20 to a few weeks after reaching level 30, while everyone is not properly equipped and it matters. But using your IPs on those should be your priority at that time, so it would only be detrimental to you if you are

[url=#user_comment_261930]@Lina[/url]: Bitch please

So everyone now agrees I'm the hottest girl in town? <3

@Lighting a Fire: anything is better than pulsefire Ez if it costs more. Because there is no reason to buy anything of those except being able to show others that you can throw money away.

Fiery soul is still better than pulsefire ezreal
COME AT ME

So again, both titles are great. I play both and I don't really like one over the other. I enjoy DOTA2's actual, 100% free to play model, but I hate its community. Meanwhile I enjoy LoL's community support and overall design better, but I can't stand that you have to pay to unlock characters.

So while LoL may qualify as a Pay to Win title, it still has a better community than DOTA2 (if ever slightly, thanks to the Tribunal) and is overall easier to learn to play. DOTA2 on the other hand can tote that it is 100% free and nobody gets a single advantage over anyone else. It's life.

@O.O is ultimately correct. Whether or not you think they are minor (and I don't think restricting access to characters is minor at all, runes are another matter), LoL still has features that qualify for Pay to Win. DOTA2 does not. Both games are great, but you have to learn to accept their flaws.

You're one of those people? I pity you. :)

...so the only excuse for not knowing that champ is not playing the game.

[url=#user_comment_261858]@Rola[/url]: you simply cannot buy tier 3 runes before level 20 and T1&2 runes are crap. So the only real advantage you get with IP boost is diversity of champions. But as I said before you will end up playing 5 champs 90% of all time. Every new champ will be in free rotation in 2 weeks after release...

Time is a resource so LoL is still pay to win. Either you pay with money or time to keep up or stay runeless and be left behind. Doesn't matter if you play once a month in dota you are still evenly matched to those who play everyday.

[url=#user_comment_261851]@Sure[/url]: Still means that someone who's using IP boosts and getting bonus IP from his purchases (it's happened) is going to be able to afford runes before, not to mention he won't be limited to using whatever heroes are up for grabs, and will be able to better complement his team and learn to play.

[url=#user_comment_261833]@Rola[/url]: at level 20 you already have enough IP to buy full rune set for one role. Before level 20 runes aren't worth buying. So boosts don't give you any advantage since matchmaking are trying to place same level in one game.

You can buy IP boosts with RP which lets you get runes much much faster, so it's all the same. This isn't about LoL sucking, I love LoL, I love DOTA2 too, but I can also see that if you have money, LoL is going to be easier for you since you can buy all the heroes you want and get runes/exp faster.

whoever says lol is P2W is retard, simple as that.

[url=#user_comment_261805]@Dri[/url]: Dri is a Dota2 fanboy who knows nothing about LoL Everyone else knows you can't buy runes with real money and he's fucking stupid. You don't need to draw your own conclusion here.

[url=#user_comment_261805]@Dri[/url] You do realize you can't buy runes with RP right? Yes you can buy rune pages, but to be quite honest all you need is 3-5 pages, everything else is "specialized" to cater to specific champs. All in all this P2W mindset to LoL is pretty much null and void.

[url=#user_comment_261805]@Dri[/url] That LoL is pay-to-win?

DOTA2 lets you buy cosmetic items that change nothing to the game and allows them to generate money for their 100% free to play game.

LoL lets you buy non-cosmetic items that eliminate the need to play for countless months to get the best runes and heroes.

Draw your own conclusions.

Phase 1: Collect underpants.
Phase 2: ??????
Phase 3: Profit.

LoLshitters please go, there's a world of difference between optional cosmetic items that support an amazing game developer and pay2win bullshit that supports a scumbag company.

this is why league sucks.

Also Dota 2 has definitely lost any claim of moral high ground over LoL.

It would have been an automatic purchase for me if the price tag weren't insulting. I think they probably actually lost money by making it so ridiculous. Valve really isn't better than Blizzard and EA at this point. Fanboys can suck dick.

Engie in Hatsune Miku's striped blue panties? DO WANT

I spent all my money on cosmetic items. I look so swag on the internets that the haters always get mad.

I would've bought the item if the price tag wasn't absurd.
25 Euro for a different look and two new spell icons.
It's not like you can download both of those from the workshop for free or anything...

this is the reason why dota 2 sucks

Blue and green shimapans are serious business.

Also, LoL and TF2 are only pay2win to the extend that you are not playing them enough to have everything you need already.

Flaming heads and blue panties.... these are serious business guys!!!

the monocle was just the tip of the iceberg - the issue was not the item itself but everything it came to stand for (developers ignoring CSM input, lack of development focus & financial overextension, :18months:, talking of customers as cashcows, ...)

[url=#user_comment_261646]@Xion[/url]: "I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I’d like to sell a lot more than vanity items." that was CCP's Lead Game Designer in Fearless. ... and consider CCP's attempt to sell neural remaps (P2W) for PLEX just a year earlier (aborted due to community outrage).

[url=#user_comment_261646]@Xion[/url] both those games are F2P though, EVE is not. And for the record, I don't play DOTA or TF2.

[url=#user_comment_261646]@Xion[/url]: CCP was trying to charge a monthly fee AND profit from microtransactions. You don't see people complaining about MTs in DUST 514. There were *many* other issues at play but at the core people resented being charged twice for a feature (WiS) that was detrimental to the game.

Dear Jo,
I would like to point out that you are now obliged to make the next comic strip about engie actually wearing these or we'd all will see her purchase as unjustified and you'd be setting bad example for kids.
Think of the kid, Jo.

[url=#user_comment_261646]@Xion[/url]: I personally don't buy many cosmetics. However, I think people who buy expensive cosmetics get more from it than people who buy games they don't play, and this is my point. One is burning money and the other is using it has a napkin.

CCP Charges $70 for a monocle = Greedy, shady business.

Valve Charges $35 to make Lina slightly more fiery = Totally legit. Better yet, Valve charges $35 to make Lina look like the artwork they made for her ages ago.

I enjoy Dota 2 but Jo is going full-on fanboy-goggles on this.

[url=#user_comment_261616]@Scoops[/url]: and my statistic says that I used 5 champions in 90% of my games. So do i really need other champions to play LoL or it's more like pokemon game where i have to collect all of them?

Witch Cap>bald burning head.

plus I just wait for diretide/frostivus kind of events.

easter is coming.

Hell, even the 3150 champs aren't hard to get IP for. Yes it helps the team to have more champions unlocked, but it's not a necessity. I agree that their model encourages people to buy champions, but not anymore than TF2's model encourages people to buy weapons/keys.

You can't buy every champion with IP in a short amount of time. You can, however, buy a damn good selection with IP in a short amount of time. 450 and 1350 IP champions are extremely easy to save up for if you're playing PvP, and they're more than enough to get the job done.

[url=#user_comment_261615]@Scoops[/url]: And having more champions not only gives you a greater range of options, it gives you an advantage when playing draft mode games. It allows you to effectively pick/counterpick, and to be able to trade any champ with allies.

[url=#user_comment_261613]@Zero[/url]: You can't realistically claim that you can buy every champ in LoL with IP in a short amount of time. The total cost when there were 97 champs according to this post http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=674026 is 355800, plus the new champs since. You get 100-300 a game.

Continued, every champion's base for free as long as you play the game. If Skins had effect on gameplay then you would be on to something. But they don't. Unless you you believe they do. (Which they don't)

Did you get paid by Valve? :P

[url=#user_comment_261566]@Mel[/url] If League of Legends if Pay to Win. Then Tabletop games are Pay to Decimate, roflstomp, and utterly annihilate. Go try to play Tabletop warhammer or a TCG. Those are real examples of pay to win. LoL as far as I know does not have any heroes that are blatantly broken. Further, You can unlock..

I was thinking about buying the Flaming Head for Lina, then I noticed I only play random or single draft so it's not really likely that I'll get Lina anyway. Also ARMA 3 is 32 dollars which is cheaper so my money goes for that.

[url=#user_comment_261579]@Zacsi[/url]: That said, I still buy some TF2 keys once in a while because I view it as donate button to Valve. And my sister plays a lot of LoL so buying Riot points for her is basically a "Get of Jail Free" card for me every time her Birthday, Christmas, etc. rolls around.

Once I wise man on a podcast told me that if you are spending all your money on pointless cosmetics or games you are not going to play, you have reached the burnout point of gaming.

Take a break from gaming for a while and try some new hobbies Jo. Believe me it helps.

Spend the money on awesome Kickstarter projects instead. Even if you end up not playing it, the money goes for a good cause.

Riotdrones out in full force trying to take advantage of this non-issue, it's really pathetic that they don't see the difference in optional cosmetic stuff that Valve does and blatant pay2win shit like Riot pulls.

That's always a good way to see it.

I would, but then again, I am poor /:

The Fiery Soul of the Slayer is droppable