A hero with a 40% win rate, then, can be viewed as effectively adding NOTHING to their team. Of course, the actual statistics are more complicated than that, but if in a game with 10 players one player's hero choice can shift the statistics by 10% either way... that's HUGE.
Stardrake
about 12 years ago
In a team game with 5 per team, all else being equal you'd expect a given hero to be contributing roughly 20% to their team's chance of victory (or, to put it another way, each adds 10% to the chance at victory to total 50%).
Stardrake
about 12 years ago
This is a bit behind the 8-ball, but if you think about the statistics a win rate of ten percent above or below 50 is actually a pretty significant sign of imbalance.
Sheriff
about 12 years ago
Meepo isn't bad, but it's best not to use him against an AoE-heavy team. And playing Meepo takes too much concentration, that most people are too lazy to even try playing him seriously... :P
Gpfakhbd
about 12 years ago
Get a job
Knxflpsb
about 12 years ago
I'm afraid that number's ex-directory
Nzgojryy
about 12 years ago
I'm retired
Gwhayzmp
about 12 years ago
Special Delivery
Smehojyw
about 12 years ago
A Second Class stamp
Yzwdqkxb
about 12 years ago
Accountant supermarket manager
Nxpdwvpc
about 12 years ago
I've only just arrived
Ledjqocx
about 12 years ago
Where's the nearest cash machine?
Jcwoirvh
about 12 years ago
I'd like to send this to
Hatdqgfd
about 12 years ago
I live in London
Mioyymcm
about 12 years ago
A First Class stamp
Acznsxqy
about 12 years ago
Canada>Canada
Uxqiwxxc
about 12 years ago
I do some voluntary work
Ojxojttq
about 12 years ago
Where do you study?
OkBroYouPro
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_221875]@Kunichan[/url]: Holy shit that is weird. That is seriously weird.
Kunichan
about 12 years ago
https://dotabuff.com/players/115375191
AckAckAck
about 12 years ago
@Mr. B: Anyone else feel the irony when Mr B (presumably a North American) try to use race card in game to shame someone?
fuck off Mr B, you're a bad troll. Also you sound more like a racist yourself.
Rathial
about 12 years ago
The most op heroes atm are Drow Ranger, Silencer, and Centaur. That's the reason you can't pick/ban them in cm. They are all like the new Lycan in All pick.
CynthiaCrescent
about 12 years ago
Dear randoms
Drow is not imbalanced
Sincerely
The person who made the change possible.
Me
about 12 years ago
This exact thing happened to me. When we saw someone pick a Meepo, we thought it was GG for sure. He ended up carrying all our asses.
But yeah, Meepo only has 40% win rate or something. horrible hero.
GrammarNazi
about 12 years ago
synergy*
mindfaQ
about 12 years ago
lol the irony
Dz34
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_221033]@Pro[/url] The aura is not the problem. Her ult is the problem. At level 6 a boost in dmg of 20 pts is huge and almost equal to a mithril hammer, a 1600$ item.
And if you leave her alone the bonus activate and she get double the value of her marksmanship. So if left alone at rank one. Bonus 40dmg to farm
Pro
about 12 years ago
Guys, you dont understand why drow is Imbalanced
She can make her aura global TO CREEPS ALSO, by toggle
In the late game, with a farmed drow, you creeps will push as much as a lane that you had already won, and thats scary!
Pushing by just existing, and pushing a lot
@old DotA 1 guy
about 12 years ago
After the second international he was nerfed to hell, he still have the same skills, but his animation, base damage were destroyed. Also waveform now blocks your other actions
killerhunt
about 12 years ago
this is meepo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-bmlMJw1Z8
he's hated so much because in order to play him properly you must have amazing micro managing skills
Mr. B
about 12 years ago
Anyone else feel the irony in a South American complaining about a certain race in a video game?
old DotA 1 guy
about 12 years ago
Last time I played DotA (about a year or so), Morphling was actually top tier, not bad. He had an escape, catch up (waveform), a knockback/stun, super agi or super tanking ability, as well as a unique ultimate.
just my penny for thought
dealwithit
about 12 years ago
this is why dota 2 sucks
Max
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220975]@core[/url]:
Thanks, yeah I can see how this can go wrong, weird they make all the clone dies instead of sharing damage or something like that.
And that second top comment...
core
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220970]@Max[/url]
Meepo's ulti can make him multiply himself,but if those other meepos die the original also dies, so most players just focus the clones (that are squshier) and take down the whole pack (with his ulti you can have 4 meepos at a time) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLjhiAHjUio check this video
Max
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220937]@QWER[/url]: Obvious baittrolling aside, what's this meepo's capabilities that make him hated? Are they the same as teemo's?
Max
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220938]@DeadHerald[/url]:
So now you're going to piss at every comics because of the one he made three days ago?
A nice fan you are.
Lixderp
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220927]@daf[/url]
Icefrog balances around Comp Play the majority of the time. The great hero rebalancing of 6.75 came after the International where Morphling was far and away the Hard Carry of choice, being picked 78 times with a 58% Win Rate.
Anonymoose
about 12 years ago
Needs more ponies mocking the farmer.
Mat
about 12 years ago
Not to forget centaur o_o
DeadHerald
about 12 years ago
Oh goody, another DotA comic filled with just the merest hint of humor. At least this one doesn't have any fucking ponies in it.
QWER
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220929]@Anonymous[/url]: Oh the irony
mags
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220925]@Prolar[/url]
Wrong forum, CHAMPION works for DOTA Forum but here, here is PONY. :-P
Anonymous
about 12 years ago
Who is Meepo? Looks like some crappy Teemo knock-off.
daf
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220765]@Hagaren[/url]: Could someone be nice enough to tell me what they nerfed in said patch, and how powerful he was before?
Honestly, if they nerfed fucking Morphling I still think there's a chance they nerf Drow Ranger and Riki.
But atleast Riki isn't a complete walk in the park like drow.
Prolar
about 12 years ago
Hey guys.
CHAMPION
blub
about 12 years ago
wow this is so wrong, what you wrote there... i played more than 500 matches, and had only ~2 really close games. 50 or so ok games, and everything else was just a stomp/completely onesided. the MM isn't really THAT great. especially if there's 5 solos in one team and 3+2 or even 5 in the other, GG
ThatGuy
about 12 years ago
I demands more ponies! The people have spoken by not raging on this comic!!
About Drow
about 12 years ago
Drow is easily counterable; you just have to take of her like how you do with other carries: Don't let her right-click for too long.
ClinkzEastwood
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220889]@Blaze[/url]: You just need to keep an eye on her. The moment you see her, you throw everything you have at her. She is very squishy, only have 1k hp at most. She should die as soon as you spot her in the enemy team. Just ignore all of the other hero and jump on Drow.
I think...
about 12 years ago
I think i'm actually that furion, this happened to me once and i said EXACTLY what fura said in the comic.
Blaze
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220882]@ClinkzEastwood[/url]: Drow is just freaking annoying. Slow + silence + high damage...how can you not rage when your 4k HP Huskar gets eaten alive by a hot dark elf?
The thing when I played LoL, there were a lot of champs that were situationally useful or good for a skilled player. This would lead to a lot of scrubs choosing one of those champions in the wrong team make-up, playing the wrong lane, not having enough skill, calling everyone else dumb for losing.
Thatguy
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220882]@ClinkzEastwood[/url]: No she is just ridiculously annoying... As for meepo, I hope I will one day see a game where he dominates, since he actually can be very good, but he's got sadly too many counters. (Aoe stuns AND single target nukes mess him up -_-)And Morphling was nerfed to oblivion, HUZZAH!:)
ClinkzEastwood
about 12 years ago
DROW IS NOT IMBA AT ALL PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO HIM !!!
Blaze
about 12 years ago
There are no bad heroes in DOTA.
There are only players who can't use them in their proper roles. FFS, you can't use Jakiro as a carry, for example.
Oli
about 12 years ago
Even the worst hero in dota (Morphling right now) has a 40% win rate and most players have a ~50% win rate.
There are tons of heros that are way worse than morphling right now, I have no idea where you get these ideas, pub win rates dont have anything to do with how good a hero is
Max
about 12 years ago
Haha, that's my exact reaction for that champion with two different letters in LoL.
To be fair if their team is really powerful and yours is very squishy you CAN bet your victory from the champion pick section.
But yeah, sometimes the other team just suck.
QWER
about 12 years ago
Damnit no one is raging in the comments...
Better bring in the ponies again Jo
bodmans
about 12 years ago
all past comments never happened *flash*
you were all watching hentai, move along
Davtwan
about 12 years ago
"Shit, this proves my bias are wrong. I have to make sure I don't remember this. The nature of the very world depends on it."
What's worse than ignorant people are people who are purposefully making themselves ignorant.
Bleachisback
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220789]@Lol[/url]: That's even more true because in Starcraft, you don't have a team to pull you through the game. In DotA, even if you genuinely have a "bad" hero, doesn't mean that that will make your team lose, even if he is genuinely doing bad.
Kerath
about 12 years ago
Glorious Ushanka of Lane-Pushing
csGoblin
about 12 years ago
Greets form Russia, laughted hard on first panel.
SvenPhantom
about 12 years ago
Meepo isn't a bad hero, I mean there are people who can do really well with him. (Hell I was afraid he would farm so fast he could be able to outfarm our carry, he could practically destroy our supports in less than a second) The issue is, meepo is quite counterable, and VERY vulnerable early game.
Bugger
about 12 years ago
Nature's Prophet has fallen through since the more recent buffs. He's still somewhat decent but there are now much better picks. Players have also got really good with Meepo which is great, makes a real nice replay reel.
Turkashi
about 12 years ago
I'm not a real dota fan (LoL fan) so here's my rage:
if there is a weak champ in a game, it mean the developers are lazy not balancing the game! XD
Just kidding, even in LoL got this issue.
Think it's not how bad or good the champ is, but how derp the player is :D
Gimme back my TU!
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220773]@OMG[/url]:
XCOM? That game never happened. Too bad, I've been waiting for years for a sequel for UFO. Also, http://xkcd.com/566/
Talcon
about 12 years ago
WHERE'S THE JOKE BUCKLEY I THOUGHT THERE'D BE A JOKE
fanservice?
about 12 years ago
where are the boobs?
Lol
about 12 years ago
Don't lean too heavily on winrates as an indicator of balance. If you followed SC2, you'd understand how it easily tilts one way or the other just based off a metagame, or looks wildly different depending on your sample size or demographic. SC2 is in such a rough shape because of that.
a
about 12 years ago
I dunno I personally think Nature Prophet is kinda shit but that's just me. I haven't played in a while but when I did neither of them got played like, ever, and I tried playing NP once and didn't like him.
PhiloteSplitter
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220786]@DevDevDevant[/url]
You can see lots of stats like that on dotabuff.com. Pretty neat, you don't have to sign up or anything.
DevDevDevant
about 12 years ago
Where do you see win rates?
Drowbestest
about 12 years ago
dont you dare say a thing to drowy
OMG
about 12 years ago
So many Dota 2 comics. More X-com or I'll never read again!!!1!1!
Torchman
about 12 years ago
Naw I think the DOTA 2 meta just hasnt been truly figured out yet... when it is, it will be noticeable.
Althlugh I think the fact that the game is starting with 94 heroes also helps...
Hagaren
about 12 years ago
[url=#user_comment_220760]@Discrider[/url]
He got nerfed last patch and became almost useless unless with the proper team
Comrade Anchick
about 12 years ago
Товарищи, морфлинг sucks
Discrider
about 12 years ago
Granted I never played Dota very often or well or against people who were not my brothers <_<
Discrider
about 12 years ago
Morphling is the worst hero?!
He was my fav in DOTA D:
GLASS CANNON GLASS CANNON GLASS CANNON
Oh no! Gank!
TANK TANK TANK TANK
Meanwhile the enemy is like, why is he healing so fast :'(
Acerbus
about 12 years ago
Meepo isn't as bad as people think. Also people who just farm all day might as well sit in the base.
JunWasHere
about 12 years ago
A character being weak most of the time is not an issue so long as you recognize those few moments when they kick ass.
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